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jimtan
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:30 pm

brrrrrr.... it's cold outside today.

I thought the globe was warming?! What's up with that?
Watch the documentary. Or David Suzuki's show.
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:46 am

brrrrrr.... it's cold outside today.

I thought the globe was warming?! What's up with that?
Watch the documentary. Or David Suzuki's show.
Who's David Suzuki?
George Carlin once said "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:34 pm

brrrrrr.... it's cold outside today.

I thought the globe was warming?! What's up with that?
Watch the documentary. Or David Suzuki's show.
Who's David Suzuki?
You're a troll or you're on the bottom half of your tagline quote.

Or you're a "concerned investor" from the other side of the planet. We've had enough of those around.
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:43 am

Watched the movie 2012 and the James Balog documentary.

2012 was a display of great CG action. But, this is not science and this is not how it works.

By comparison, the Extreme Ice Survey is about actual science and brave men and women. The researchers are making breakthroughs in understanding how ice melts in glaciers and icesheets. Kudos.
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:21 am

Based on the bizarre logic you apply to the local real estate market, we should only consider climate data from the last decade. Long term data and clearly established global patterns are (apparently) meaningless. :roll:

That was sarcasm JT.
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:17 am

Let's sum up the 'debate'.

On one side, you have Fred Singer, the '125 renown scientists' and the anonymous bloggers. On the other side, you have James Hansen, David Suzuki and the National Academies of Science.

So, which group of people do you want to listen to?

I'll gladly stick with the people who actually do the research and understand the science. Hypothesis testing involves null hypothesis. That is, eliminating the other possibilities. When the evidence is this clear, no need to waste your time 'debating'.

I have to be honest. I'm not too hopeful. There's so much cultural resistance and inertia. Looks like its too little and too late. Just hope that the local governments will act quickly enough to build dykes and strengthen seawalls. And, you want your tax cuts too???
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:31 pm

I'll gladly stick with the people who actually do the research and understand the science. Hypothesis testing involves null hypothesis. That is, eliminating the other possibilities. When the evidence is this clear, no need to waste your time 'debating'.
Unless the debate is about home prices.

With regard to home prices (which JT thinks will never drop) he will advise you to ignore academically acclaimed studies of hundreds of years of data, ignore the other mountain of bearish information and ignore the other possibilities, then plug your fingers firmly into your ears and shout la, la, la, la, la, la.
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:58 pm


See this interesting Letter by 125 renowned scientists to UN Secretary General re climate change that essentially states that current scientific knowledge does not substantiate his assertions on global "warming": http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/1 ... cientists/

Thomas,

Not sure why you brought this letter to our attention. It's pretty much useless. ...
Is it ? There are obviously scientists who believe that the debate is NOT over, that data has been tainted, that extrapolations into the future are doubtful, that there were periods of colling and warming even before man, that global warming also has benefits ( for example longer growing season in Canada or ice free ports or lower gas consumption to heat homes in cold nations like Canada) nd most importantly, that $s could be invested better elsewhere than shifting it from developed nations to underdeveloped ones.

For example, we could build a subway or rail-link in Metro Vancouver to UBC, N-Van, Steveston, Surrey and Abbotsford and thus lower gas consumption in the Lower Mainland by decreasing car usage. I am all for these specific local actions rather than the global warming debate.

The easiest solution would be to slap a carbon tariff onto the coal guzzling Chinese imports. Why is this not done ? Why is gasoline in Vancouver still well below $2/liter ? With higher prices for Carbon we would actually see some real behavior change. But that is politically difficult to implement. Vote for me, I will raise your gasoline and heating bill by 200%.

Coming back to real estate, you will see strong demand for houses and condos close to these rail-lines as younger people prefer to not own a car if not needed due to excessive costs of about $1000/month for a car if one counts depreciation, lease payments or opportunity costs of invest capital, gas, oil, tires, maintenance, insurance, parking fees, bridge tolls and soon: road tolls.
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:30 pm

Is it ? There are obviously scientists who believe that the debate is NOT over, that data has been tainted, that extrapolations into the future are doubtful, that there were periods of colling and warming even before man, that global warming also has benefits ( for example longer growing season in Canada or ice free ports or lower gas consumption to heat homes in cold nations like Canada) nd most importantly, that $s could be invested better elsewhere than shifting it from developed nations to underdeveloped ones.

For example, we could build a subway or rail-link in Metro Vancouver to UBC, N-Van, Steveston, Surrey and Abbotsford and thus lower gas consumption in the Lower Mainland by decreasing car usage. I am all for these specific local actions rather than the global warming debate.

The easiest solution would be to slap a carbon tariff onto the coal guzzling Chinese imports. Why is this not done ? Why is gasoline in Vancouver still well below $2/liter ? With higher prices for Carbon we would actually see some real behavior change. But that is politically difficult to implement. Vote for me, I will raise your gasoline and heating bill by 200%.

Coming back to real estate, you will see strong demand for houses and condos close to these rail-lines as younger people prefer to not own a car if not needed due to excessive costs of about $1000/month for a car if one counts depreciation, lease payments or opportunity costs of invest capital, gas, oil, tires, maintenance, insurance, parking fees, bridge tolls and soon: road tolls.
The science behind global warming is needed to help us understand the consequences of our actions. That science helps us model and plan for said consequences. Unfortunately, there is a strong culture of denial. People don't want to take responsibility.

So, they are happy to give credence to a small minority of vocal people with science background. But, without climatology credentials.

Of course, the science community know that these deniers are wrong. That's why the National Science Academies have collectively reaffirmed the work of the IPCC.

Accept the science. Take responsibility. Make difficult decisions. Pay the price. That's the mature way of doing it.

Procrastination merely passes the buck to future generations.

How bad is it going to be? The scientists hope to keep the average global temperature from rising more than 2 degrees. In their studies, very bad things have happened when that occurred in the past.

On January 8th, various parts of BC received record precipitation. Rain on the coast. Snowstorms in the interior. Thanks to a sub-tropical front advancing north. So, things aren't rosy just because things are getting warmer.

In fact, the States is in a drought with record temperature during the past summer. Food prices will rise. In Australia, they are in a record drought and what's happening to these people is a forewarning.

Be very afraid. Rising sea level is only one of the problems.


Grandfather saves family by sheltering in the sea to escape lethal Tasmania wildfire

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... dfire.html


Australia: fires rage and temperatures soar on day of 'catastrophic' danger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... anger.html
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:14 am

Climate variation is a fact, but only modern day humans would insist that climate stay the same when it has warmed and cooled for thousands of years. Why not just plan to accomodate the change, which is a normal variation? Sea levels are rising, they have done so before, the only thing that has changed is modern humans expect that they should not rise because they have stupidly built on low lands. People have been adjusting to climate change since the last ice age. B.C. , at one time, had a tropical climate. Are we seriously going to try to change natural forces, or use our heads to adjust our housing, transportation, etc. plans over the long term? you can put more dykes around Richmond for just so long, and then there will be a catastrophic flooding at some point and people will wonder how that happened? Look at how stupid people were leading up to Storm Sandy: people building on sandspits and sinking islands and swampy deltas on the ocean, and then expecting the government to compensate their losses for their stupid decisions.
Just how flexible do you think Richmond residents could be if the inevitable occurs?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -flooding/
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:30 pm

Climate variation is a fact, but only modern day humans would insist that climate stay the same when it has warmed and cooled for thousands of years. Why not just plan to accomodate the change, which is a normal variation? Sea levels are rising, they have done so before, the only thing that has changed is modern humans expect that they should not rise because they have stupidly built on low lands. People have been adjusting to climate change since the last ice age. B.C. , at one time, had a tropical climate. Are we seriously going to try to change natural forces, or use our heads to adjust our housing, transportation, etc. plans over the long term? you can put more dykes around Richmond for just so long, and then there will be a catastrophic flooding at some point and people will wonder how that happened? Look at how stupid people were leading up to Storm Sandy: people building on sandspits and sinking islands and swampy deltas on the ocean, and then expecting the government to compensate their losses for their stupid decisions.
Just how flexible do you think Richmond residents could be if the inevitable occurs?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -flooding/
Yes, indeed! Sea levels rise and fall. The last rise in sea level rise put the sea 20' above today's level.

"For the past 6,000 years, the world's sea level gradually approached the current level. During the previous interglacial about 120,000 years ago, sea level was for a short time about 6 metres (20 ft) higher than today, as evidenced by wave-cut notches along cliffs in the Bahamas. There are also Pleistocene coral reefs left stranded about 3 metres above today's sea level along the southwestern coastline of West Caicos Island in the West Indies. These once-submerged reefs and nearby paleo-beach deposits indicate that sea level spent enough time at that higher level to allow reefs to grow (exactly where this extra sea water came from—Antarctica or Greenland—has not yet been determined). Similar evidence of geologically recent sea level positions is abundant around the world."

Look at this chart of the last 400k years. Look at the yellow line on the right.
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:08 pm

Around the world, extremes will occur.

"Sydney Sizzles in Record Heat as Fires Threaten Victorian Towns"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-1 ... hreat.html
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:52 pm

Don't forget the cost to Alberta

"Oil-sands development is polluting nearby remote Alberta lakes with rising levels of a toxic carcinogen, refuting long-standing claims that waterway pollution in the region is largely naturally occurring, a study has found.

The peer-reviewed study, published Monday by a research team including Environment Canada scientists, found levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) have risen roughly at the same pace as development in six nearby lakes. It’s “well established” that some PAHs are carcinogenic, according to the American Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. Some types of PAHs have been linked to infertility, immune disorders and fish mutation.

The PAH pollution level remains low – on par, at worst, with an urban lake – but is rising. Results in one remote lake showed PAH levels 23 times higher than pre-development levels 50 years ago. It’s the rate of growth that’s most alarming, said John Smol, a Queen’s University professor, Canada Research Chair in Environmental Change and study co-author. “You only have to start doing some back-of-the-envelope calculations of, in 15 years, where they might be,” he said. "


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le7014184/
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:41 pm

I guess all Albertans will pick up and leave for Vancouver and buy everything in sight and rent everything. Bringing vacancy rates to 0%. I love this jimmy guy, i don't have to spend money going to yuk yuks or Russell Peters :lol:

Who gives a shit about climate change. It's frikkin cold this year and I don't see climate change for Vancouver quite yet. Snow packs have been quite large in the past few years and this year we could see same. It's funny how you believe these scientists but call economists stupid for making predictions you can't handle. Well, Mikey sold you an overpriced condo and your anger levels just blew up as the market didn't rise as much as he promised you. Don't worry Jim, simple solution to your problems, jump off that balcony!
So jimmy said I missed the dip in Richmond last year. And now prices have fallen even more with no balance in sight! The poor old man is just too old and grumpy!
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:56 am

One's a surprise consequence of global warming.

The great drought has caused "Chicago River Flowing Backwards"

" Here’s the scenario: the worst U.S. drought since the 1930s is lowering the level of Lake Michigan, and if it drops another 6 inches or so this winter, it could fall below the level of the Chicago River. That means the dirty waters of the Chicago River, which were diverted 100 years ago to preserving the relatively pristine lake, would be sucked backwards.

In practice, three sets of locks that divide the river from the lake would only allow a relatively small amount of river water to leak back into the lake when the locks are opened to ships, says Margaret Frisbie, executive director of Friends of the Chicago River. It’s roughly the equivalent of putting a thimbleful of dirty water into a bathtub.

The bigger concern is that if the flow from the lake stops, so too does the flow of the Chicago River. The lake water that currently flushes the Chicago River and its burden of treated and untreated sewage through the Des Plaines and Illinois rivers into the Mississippi would stop flowing, temporarily transforming swaths of the Chicago River into a lifeless, de-oxygenated bog...


Like so many of the systemic challenges we face these days -- in financial markets, in public health, with climate change -- what happens to the short-term flow of the Chicago River over the next couple months may be just a shadow of the elevated risks we’re courting over the next couple of decades.

"It’s a micro-story in a much larger problem of what we are doing to the environment,” says Frisbie. “One of the U.S.'s great water resources is vanishing."


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-3 ... cerns.html
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