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The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:55 am

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The dragon in the room

Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers has left many asking the same question: Why is Canada willing to take our money, but then belittle us? 
talks to a hesitant community

At an ornately decorated Chinese café on a back road in suburban Richmond, three dozen people are picking at cheese and tomato sandwiches. They are dressed in plaid shirts and windbreakers, jeans and runners, and the kind of business suits aspiring bank managers might wear.
They are waiting to hear from speakers who want to persuade them to hand over some of their presumed wealth. But not for residential real estate. These recent immigrants from mainland China are awaiting pitches to invest in biotech, high-tech, smartphone apps and commercial real estate.

“I am trying to show them some other things they can think about,” says Jason Liu, one of the organizers of these seminars and a shareholder in the 1029 Café, which operates as a kind of informal community centre. “We know the Canadians don’t like everyone buying houses.”

These people hear plenty of criticism in Vancouver’s mainstream media and on social media about buying and selling houses and condos. Many Vancouverites say people like them are driving up real estate prices in the region to the point where locals are shut out.


Resentment reached a fever pitch this week, when the province acted to put a check on investors by adding 15 per cent to the property transfer tax for buyers who are not citizens or permanent residents. At the same time, new data showed 10 per cent of sales in the Lower Mainland were to foreign buyers – most from China.


NDP MLA David Eby has called for an investigation into the phenomenon of immigrants who live in multimillion-dollar homes but appear to have no income. Yet again, that has fuelled suspicions about mainland Chinese immigrants in general.


Many of the new arrivals and are baffled by the controversy, wondering why they are the focus of anger over a housing market in which Canadians are realizing sale prices beyond their wildest dreams. And, in particular, they are divided over whether the new tax is an understandable response or another indication they are not welcome.


The people mingling at Café 1029 belong to one of the city’s most talked-about, feared, loathed, puzzled over, endlessly speculated about, and yet oddly invisible and voiceless sub-cultures.


Among them are Sherry Qin, who ran a successful business in Shenzen distributing remote-controlled toys; Lao Wu, who came here from Beijing in 2008 so his children could get a better education; Sam Peng, who left China when his wife got pregnant with a second child and risked a penalty, not only for herself, but her entire group at the library where she worked.


The mainlanders are the most recent of several waves of Chinese immigration to Vancouver. But they are not from the places familiar to Vancouverites for the past 160 years, like rural Guangdong, Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan.


The 139,890 who have arrived since 2000, according to federal statistics, are from Nanjing, Shanghai, Harbin, Beijing, Guangzhou, Qingdao.


And they are a kind of immigrant Canada has not seen before, at least not in these numbers. They are here with money and confidence after surfing the wave of one of the world’s biggest economic booms, the result of people from Regina to Rome buying stuff stamped “Made in China.” The boom produced 3.6 million millionaires by 2014, up from 2.4 million in 2013.


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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:25 am

"None of the people interviewed by The Globe are, by their account, big real-estate investors, vacant-house owners, the parents of spoiled rich kids, investors parking their money here as a hedge, or corrupt Communist Party officials – the mainland Chinese stock characters that appear most often in local media."
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:06 pm

Honestly, I think the only people that think there is a "dragon in the room" is the media looking for a new story, and newcomers from China who seem all too willing to play the race card in the hopes of making the rest of us feel too ashamed to rock the boat.

I haven't seen the Indian or Persian communities equate housing taxes to hostility towards their immigrant groups.  I don't hear a peep out of Americans, Europeans, or any other minority group that have significant populations in Vancouver.   Why do we only hear from the Chinese community?  And why do they always seem to think that any change in local regulations around real estate constitute racism or hostility specifically towards that group?
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:23 pm

it's just people jealous and envious of homeowners of all kinds.....

it's too bad they have to imagine worse case scenarios and exaggerate the situation to cultivate a general mainstream fear of the boogiemen just because of a few bad examples.

they shouldn't let a few bad apples ruin the batch. too bad they are all to willing to jump on the xenophobia bandwagon with statement like

"where will we live"

"we are pushed out of our own city"

"where will my children live?"

"they are invading without even firing a single shot"

"it's all corruption and money laundering"

we've all heard this baloney for the last 5-10 years, change is the only thing that stays the same.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:27 pm

westcoastfella wrote:
Honestly, I think the only people that think there is a "dragon in the room" is the media looking for a new story, and newcomers from China who seem all too willing to play the race card in the hopes of making the rest of us feel too ashamed to rock the boat.

I haven't seen the Indian or Persian communities equate housing taxes to hostility towards their immigrant groups.  I don't hear a peep out of Americans, Europeans, or any other minority group that have significant populations in Vancouver.   Why do we only hear from the Chinese community?  And why do they always seem to think that any change in local regulations around real estate constitute racism or hostility specifically towards that group?

there are complaints from those communities. you maybe just didn't notice.
many cases in the last few weeks about not only Chinese foreigners complaining about the foreign tax but Europeans and Americans too.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:37 pm

Demonizer wrote:
westcoastfella wrote:
Honestly, I think the only people that think there is a "dragon in the room" is the media looking for a new story, and newcomers from China who seem all too willing to play the race card in the hopes of making the rest of us feel too ashamed to rock the boat.

I haven't seen the Indian or Persian communities equate housing taxes to hostility towards their immigrant groups.  I don't hear a peep out of Americans, Europeans, or any other minority group that have significant populations in Vancouver.   Why do we only hear from the Chinese community?  And why do they always seem to think that any change in local regulations around real estate constitute racism or hostility specifically towards that group?

there are complaints from those communities. you maybe just didn't notice.
many cases in the last few weeks about not only Chinese foreigners complaining about the foreign tax but Europeans and Americans too.

Complaining about a tax, sure - everyone complains about taxes, who wants to pay more for something?  And one thing for sure, the tax has hit every foreigner equally, regardless of where you're from - so hooray for equality.

However, the Chinese community is the only community that I've seen, that goes to length to call this tax "racist", or label it as "hostile to our community", as if it was specifically levied against the Chinese.  Or do you have examples of other similar articles for other communities?
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:50 pm

it's all anecdotal from web comments sections and from people just generally seeing many asian people around. never mind if it's koreans, vietnamese or filipinos just easier to say it's all chinese.

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    "while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:54 pm

westcoastfella wrote:
Demonizer wrote:
westcoastfella wrote:
Honestly, I think the only people that think there is a "dragon in the room" is the media looking for a new story, and newcomers from China who seem all too willing to play the race card in the hopes of making the rest of us feel too ashamed to rock the boat.

I haven't seen the Indian or Persian communities equate housing taxes to hostility towards their immigrant groups.  I don't hear a peep out of Americans, Europeans, or any other minority group that have significant populations in Vancouver.   Why do we only hear from the Chinese community?  And why do they always seem to think that any change in local regulations around real estate constitute racism or hostility specifically towards that group?

there are complaints from those communities. you maybe just didn't notice.
many cases in the last few weeks about not only Chinese foreigners complaining about the foreign tax but Europeans and Americans too.

Complaining about a tax, sure - everyone complains about taxes, who wants to pay more for something?  And one thing for sure, the tax has hit every foreigner equally, regardless of where you're from - so hooray for equality.

However, the Chinese community is the only community that I've seen, that goes to length to call this tax "racist", or label it as "hostile to our community", as if it was specifically levied against the Chinese.  Or do you have examples of other similar articles for other communities?

not just Chinese people do, many Caucasians do too. not all Caucasians are against foreign investment and cash injection into Canada. it is racist if it was meant to keep people from coming into Canada. That's discrimination against non Canadians, if that's not racist at the very least it's nationalist which isn't too far from racist.
while i accept some merit on the argument that it's a tax on foreigners and not Chinese, you aren't fooling anyone. 
as perpetual foreigners we all know what foreigner really means in Vancouver. it means "Asian". because let's be honest if it were a whole boatload of rich Swedish babes most likely no one would be complaining at all. 
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:20 pm

so what?

It is Canada's right, BC's right and Vancouver's right to ensure the best interests of its citizens are taken care of.  

Stop crying about it.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:24 pm

"Canada is going to just be another province of China"

That's the point.

China 2.0

once Chinese people become more ubiquitous than they already are, as ubiquitous as English or Scottish people people will realize they are probably the best type of people to become Canadians.

Canada needs some more guidance and who better than successful family oriented, education oriented, home valuing people.

the new face of Canada is emerging and it's a good thing. the previous occupants fucked up.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:31 pm

Demonizer wrote:
"Canada is going to just be another province of China"

That's the point.

China 2.0

once Chinese people become more ubiquitous than they already are, as ubiquitous as English or Scottish people people will realize they are probably the best type of people to become Canadians.

Canada needs some more guidance and who better than successful family oriented, education oriented, home valuing people.

the new face of Canada is emerging and it's a good thing. the previous occupants fucked up.

LOL - you can keep em in China.  From what I can see that place is a dive - no need to bring it here.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:33 pm

reallyreal2 wrote:
so what?

It is Canada's right, BC's right and Vancouver's right to ensure the best interests of its citizens are taken care of.  

Stop crying about it.

the best interests of Canadians is to remove the current underperforming occupants and bring in better ones.
the government has spoken, much of the current population is not pulling their weight. too entitled, too many people asking for handouts and not contributing enough, thinking all they need is a Canadian citizen card or birth certificate treating it as a social welfare housing handout card. your socialism is killing the economy and furthermore our society.
 there are people complaining about Air BNB like it's taking away from their housing chances. it's really none of their business what property owners want to do. 
Why do people think it's the responsibility of property owners to provide abundant rental stock and rents prices suitable to their own capabilities?
maybe it contributing to less rental stock, maybe it isn't, but in the end, it's really none of your business, especially if you are a non-contributor to society.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:36 pm

the main problem is people have this picture in their mind of what a Canadian should look like that is English or Scottish or French but in reality it really isn't, the image is just artificially upheld for tradition purposes. 

this is a false and dangerous way of thinking to put a particular face on a Canadian.

this is the problem, the belief in false imagery.

We have been a mixed population in Canada and especially metro areas for decades.

it was "caucasian" in the past but now we've been mixed ethnically for decades so the old imagery is rather outdated.

this ain't cowboys and indians anymore.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:38 pm

reallyreal2 wrote:
so what?

It is Canada's right, BC's right and Vancouver's right to ensure the best interests of its citizens are taken care of.  

Stop crying about it.

if you read the article those interviewed and described look like pretty good citizens to me.
that's the problem with white privilege and any threats to it, no one else can be good but them. 
if they aren't the starring role, they ain't happy.
 
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Re: The dragon in the room: Hostility toward rich, Chinese newcomers

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:42 pm

reallyreal2 wrote:
Demonizer wrote:
"Canada is going to just be another province of China"

That's the point.

China 2.0

once Chinese people become more ubiquitous than they already are, as ubiquitous as English or Scottish people people will realize they are probably the best type of people to become Canadians.

Canada needs some more guidance and who better than successful family oriented, education oriented, home valuing people.

the new face of Canada is emerging and it's a good thing. the previous occupants fucked up.

LOL - you can keep em in China.  From what I can see that place is a dive - no need to bring it here.

your ignorance is showing again. it's not the best but certainly not the worst. 
have you even been there? 
there is shitty places all over the world and even in Canada. there are beautiful places all over the world, even in China
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